i enjoy some rap like i enjoy audiobooks, some people are able to express truth and make it funny, tell a good story, and make it rhyme in a way that tickles my autistic puzzle solving brain
You could make a pretty convincing case the Jazz is actually just a derived form of classical music. Its main inspiration is military brass and march music. Played and refined only by the quadroon french creoles of Louisiana or the high yellows of Dixieland. When are we gonna put the white back in Jazz?
Jazz = Judaized, Negrified, Commodified Classical (in my limited estimation)
That being said Jazz is free from some of the Jewish influences in classical music that the Nazis hated (ex: Schoenberg's atonalism) and this was part of the reason Adorno (also Jewish) hated it
I mentioned this in my other comment on this post, but jazz also partly descends from early 1900s comic songs, which descend from Edwardian musical comedy, which descends from comic opera, which descends from opera, which descends from classical. It’s a lot of degrees removed, but the influence is there.
You watch a few episodes of Family Guy and get a feel for Seth McFarlane’s musical tastes, and you’ll see he likes jazz as well as theatrical music through frequent references to Sinatra and Gilbert & Sullivan. There’s a through line you can attach to all of this.
I should have brought up Sinatra. I enjoy some of his songs, hell I enjoy the songs of a lot of the people on this list, but Sinatra was an arch-liberal of his day. Very Kennedy-aligned. But it didn't really come out in his music.
The Italian crooners were the successor to the Irish comic singers like Billy Murray (who, in his time, achieved levels of superstardom that pop singers today could only dream of, although it all faded away very quickly). There was a tacit awareness that the industry was mostly made up of Jewish songwriters and Irish singers back in the day, and every now and then they’d make tongue-in-cheek acknowledgements of that reality.
I remember listening to hms pinafore when I was 21 and being dumbfounded when realizing I heard Stewie sing a song from it when I was like 10 lol.
Between 1860 and 1890 a ton of new genres started to form like jazz, ragtime, cabaret, and early musical theatre. If you trace these genres of music to their earliest roots, their distinctions become blurred.
My inference is that the invention of sound-recording technology allowed the types of folk and pop music of the masses to be more widely heard, when in previous centuries it would have been incredibly parochial and quickly lost to history. So these genres I mentioned are essentially hybrids between the prestige classical music and the common folk tunes and ballads of the masses. Eventually tho all of this would be overtaken by R&B, then rock and then rap. All of which you could largely trace to blues, which itself is ultimately black american folk music (Country-western comes from blue grass, which is scots-irish Appalachian folk music). So if you were to doom spiral about the state of Western music, the prestigious and sacred has been overcome by the vulgar and common lol.
90s rap idolization is more of a millennilib phenomena. There's a certain flavor of kitsch-hop (ex; JPEGMAFIA) which is exclusively listened to by Fantano adjacent college students. This form is more pervasive primarily due to its more explicit anti-White themes (which, while being apart of the 90s scene, wasn't really the focus), as well as it's "experimental" framing that allows it to infiltrate alt music circles; despite not really being sonically all that interesting.
Excellent article. The part about Elvis and sexuality reminded me of the scene in the beginning of the recent movie with all the “well-behaved” ladies going apeshit over him. The movie was decent. As for me, I like metal, but mostly Christian metal, rock, but old country is my favorite.
Guys like: Johnny Cash, Conway Twitty, and Willie Nelson are legends for sure. And I know he was a leftist, but I got a soft spot for Pete Seeger’s music.
I remember hating music at parties for a month last year because I turned on Shrek 4 at my sister's apartment but then my entire family forced it off because a bunch of 20somethings and old people pulled up and turned on my sister's shit music playlist
You also could mention the evolution of the western songwriting tradition here; Jews wrote a vast number of pop hits in the 50s through the 70s often in a very workmanlike fashion for black and white musicians
You liken the Beatles to Elvis, but the former is the prime example of a shift away from some of the more rhythmic pop structures that had been entrenched in pop culture at the time. The sixties generally was the beginning of an interesting phenomenon where white songwriters tended to make their pop music more like classical music, centering melody, arrangement and song structure etc. rock is a special genre because of this imo, groups like the kinks, beach boys and Led Zeppelin (at times) made some of the genre’s best material recognized for ambition with the classical elements mentioned above.
Your musical phylogeny chart is very interesting. I’d actually argue that modern music does, to a small degree and in a roundabout way, descend from classical music and opera, in addition to blues and folk. Opera gives rise to more accessible comic opera (also known as operetta), which evolved into Edwardian musical comedy, which was cut up into bite sized pieces in the form of comic songs on gramophone cylinders. A lot of your Sinatra classics and other 1940s hits are really just early 1900s comic songs with a bluesy spin and an electric microphone instead of an acoustic recording horn.
Perbraps, perbraps. I'm not a Musicologist or a "Music guy" so it's likely that classical had influence on every genre to some extent. Its strongest influence today is probably in soundtracks for movies and vidya. John Williams is heavily Wagner-derivative for example and that's sort of what Lucas was going for.
Williams almost 1/1 copies Gustav Holst, who in turn was heavily influenced by Richard Wagner. Pretty much all composers of the late 19th and early 20th centuries were working off of a musical framework that Wagner constructed. He was a groundbreaking pioneer in the art of using music to tell a story. And both music and storytelling have never really been the same since Wagner introduced his innovations. Of course, Wagner himself was building on the work already established by previous composers.
Believe it or not I have encountered shitlibs who deny Wagner's genius. They say he's overrated and then when you ask them why they change the subject and complain about his antisemitism. One of the most hilarious encounters I ever had on iFunny was when some guy was shittalking Wagner. I asked him what his standard for good music was, he said it had to align with the Schopenhauerian will (nevermind the fact that Wagner was a Schopenhauerian) and then I asked him for an example of music that accomplished this. He gave me the example of 100 gecs. 100 fucking gecs!
I’m probably the biggest Wagner shill I know (my profile picture is Götterdämmerung’s King Gunther of Burgundy), so I’ve heard it plenty of times. Wagner is intense and scares people with his incredible passion. All music that comes after him kind of exists in his shadow. Artists like Debussy really resented having to try to break out of the Wagnerian mold. Go figure, most of Wagner’s most fervent critics in the modern day tend to be disciples of Debussy. If only they knew he was just copying Wagner while coping and seething about it!
Even if Wagner wasn’t such a fanatical antisemite and German nationalist, people just don’t get him. Your average classical music enthusiast gets creeped out if he learns that Wagner is your favorite composer. To these people, Wagner is the angry racist guy who composed music for other angry racists who like violence and incest. It’s really quite sad how little recognition he gets, considering how deeply he impacted music and storytelling in general.
Whites did very well with jazz. If you want to see how White jazz might have evolved in the absence of jewish control over the industry, give a fair hearing to early Hawkwind and Early Public Image Limited.
metal, folk, and dungeon synth make up the bulk of the music I listen to. Metal scratches the same itch classical music does, but its high energy. Folk does a great job of capturing emotions in telling them in stories. Dungeon synth is for writing and showering.
it’s weird because nowadays i don’t really listen to music it gets annoying if i have it on for more than 15-30mins , but i remember as a kid manly listening to SOAD and paramore.
Rap being pervasive with most people is horrifically true. Even in Europe there is a large part of the population that listens to rap normally (particularly Italians). Kind of a tragedy that American nog influence has reached so far.
i enjoy some rap like i enjoy audiobooks, some people are able to express truth and make it funny, tell a good story, and make it rhyme in a way that tickles my autistic puzzle solving brain
“the way i am” by eminem is a song i love
cool article btw… very dense… respect
#respect from one street nigga to anotha
You could make a pretty convincing case the Jazz is actually just a derived form of classical music. Its main inspiration is military brass and march music. Played and refined only by the quadroon french creoles of Louisiana or the high yellows of Dixieland. When are we gonna put the white back in Jazz?
Jazz = Judaized, Negrified, Commodified Classical (in my limited estimation)
That being said Jazz is free from some of the Jewish influences in classical music that the Nazis hated (ex: Schoenberg's atonalism) and this was part of the reason Adorno (also Jewish) hated it
I mentioned this in my other comment on this post, but jazz also partly descends from early 1900s comic songs, which descend from Edwardian musical comedy, which descends from comic opera, which descends from opera, which descends from classical. It’s a lot of degrees removed, but the influence is there.
You watch a few episodes of Family Guy and get a feel for Seth McFarlane’s musical tastes, and you’ll see he likes jazz as well as theatrical music through frequent references to Sinatra and Gilbert & Sullivan. There’s a through line you can attach to all of this.
I should have brought up Sinatra. I enjoy some of his songs, hell I enjoy the songs of a lot of the people on this list, but Sinatra was an arch-liberal of his day. Very Kennedy-aligned. But it didn't really come out in his music.
The Italian crooners were the successor to the Irish comic singers like Billy Murray (who, in his time, achieved levels of superstardom that pop singers today could only dream of, although it all faded away very quickly). There was a tacit awareness that the industry was mostly made up of Jewish songwriters and Irish singers back in the day, and every now and then they’d make tongue-in-cheek acknowledgements of that reality.
I remember listening to hms pinafore when I was 21 and being dumbfounded when realizing I heard Stewie sing a song from it when I was like 10 lol.
Between 1860 and 1890 a ton of new genres started to form like jazz, ragtime, cabaret, and early musical theatre. If you trace these genres of music to their earliest roots, their distinctions become blurred.
My inference is that the invention of sound-recording technology allowed the types of folk and pop music of the masses to be more widely heard, when in previous centuries it would have been incredibly parochial and quickly lost to history. So these genres I mentioned are essentially hybrids between the prestige classical music and the common folk tunes and ballads of the masses. Eventually tho all of this would be overtaken by R&B, then rock and then rap. All of which you could largely trace to blues, which itself is ultimately black american folk music (Country-western comes from blue grass, which is scots-irish Appalachian folk music). So if you were to doom spiral about the state of Western music, the prestigious and sacred has been overcome by the vulgar and common lol.
90s rap idolization is more of a millennilib phenomena. There's a certain flavor of kitsch-hop (ex; JPEGMAFIA) which is exclusively listened to by Fantano adjacent college students. This form is more pervasive primarily due to its more explicit anti-White themes (which, while being apart of the 90s scene, wasn't really the focus), as well as it's "experimental" framing that allows it to infiltrate alt music circles; despite not really being sonically all that interesting.
Well-spoken.
Excellent article. The part about Elvis and sexuality reminded me of the scene in the beginning of the recent movie with all the “well-behaved” ladies going apeshit over him. The movie was decent. As for me, I like metal, but mostly Christian metal, rock, but old country is my favorite.
Guys like: Johnny Cash, Conway Twitty, and Willie Nelson are legends for sure. And I know he was a leftist, but I got a soft spot for Pete Seeger’s music.
I remember hating music at parties for a month last year because I turned on Shrek 4 at my sister's apartment but then my entire family forced it off because a bunch of 20somethings and old people pulled up and turned on my sister's shit music playlist
Ninja is my hero
What do you think would happen if he got a low taper fade?
It would be massive.I mean millions of views, every day.
You also could mention the evolution of the western songwriting tradition here; Jews wrote a vast number of pop hits in the 50s through the 70s often in a very workmanlike fashion for black and white musicians
You liken the Beatles to Elvis, but the former is the prime example of a shift away from some of the more rhythmic pop structures that had been entrenched in pop culture at the time. The sixties generally was the beginning of an interesting phenomenon where white songwriters tended to make their pop music more like classical music, centering melody, arrangement and song structure etc. rock is a special genre because of this imo, groups like the kinks, beach boys and Led Zeppelin (at times) made some of the genre’s best material recognized for ambition with the classical elements mentioned above.
Do you listen to imperial german marching music, video game osts & anime intros?
Where's the A Wyatt Man cartoon when you need it?
Your musical phylogeny chart is very interesting. I’d actually argue that modern music does, to a small degree and in a roundabout way, descend from classical music and opera, in addition to blues and folk. Opera gives rise to more accessible comic opera (also known as operetta), which evolved into Edwardian musical comedy, which was cut up into bite sized pieces in the form of comic songs on gramophone cylinders. A lot of your Sinatra classics and other 1940s hits are really just early 1900s comic songs with a bluesy spin and an electric microphone instead of an acoustic recording horn.
Perbraps, perbraps. I'm not a Musicologist or a "Music guy" so it's likely that classical had influence on every genre to some extent. Its strongest influence today is probably in soundtracks for movies and vidya. John Williams is heavily Wagner-derivative for example and that's sort of what Lucas was going for.
Williams almost 1/1 copies Gustav Holst, who in turn was heavily influenced by Richard Wagner. Pretty much all composers of the late 19th and early 20th centuries were working off of a musical framework that Wagner constructed. He was a groundbreaking pioneer in the art of using music to tell a story. And both music and storytelling have never really been the same since Wagner introduced his innovations. Of course, Wagner himself was building on the work already established by previous composers.
Believe it or not I have encountered shitlibs who deny Wagner's genius. They say he's overrated and then when you ask them why they change the subject and complain about his antisemitism. One of the most hilarious encounters I ever had on iFunny was when some guy was shittalking Wagner. I asked him what his standard for good music was, he said it had to align with the Schopenhauerian will (nevermind the fact that Wagner was a Schopenhauerian) and then I asked him for an example of music that accomplished this. He gave me the example of 100 gecs. 100 fucking gecs!
I’m probably the biggest Wagner shill I know (my profile picture is Götterdämmerung’s King Gunther of Burgundy), so I’ve heard it plenty of times. Wagner is intense and scares people with his incredible passion. All music that comes after him kind of exists in his shadow. Artists like Debussy really resented having to try to break out of the Wagnerian mold. Go figure, most of Wagner’s most fervent critics in the modern day tend to be disciples of Debussy. If only they knew he was just copying Wagner while coping and seething about it!
Even if Wagner wasn’t such a fanatical antisemite and German nationalist, people just don’t get him. Your average classical music enthusiast gets creeped out if he learns that Wagner is your favorite composer. To these people, Wagner is the angry racist guy who composed music for other angry racists who like violence and incest. It’s really quite sad how little recognition he gets, considering how deeply he impacted music and storytelling in general.
Whites did very well with jazz. If you want to see how White jazz might have evolved in the absence of jewish control over the industry, give a fair hearing to early Hawkwind and Early Public Image Limited.
metal, folk, and dungeon synth make up the bulk of the music I listen to. Metal scratches the same itch classical music does, but its high energy. Folk does a great job of capturing emotions in telling them in stories. Dungeon synth is for writing and showering.
it’s weird because nowadays i don’t really listen to music it gets annoying if i have it on for more than 15-30mins , but i remember as a kid manly listening to SOAD and paramore.
I'm more disappointed in how many white people listen to wrap, even some 'conservatives'
Being a criminal isnt any cooler than being a slut.
Yeah it is
Why?
Because pretty much anything is cooler than getting fucked in the ass for money.
Both antisocial behaviours. Criminals Aldo hurt other people than themselves
Rap being pervasive with most people is horrifically true. Even in Europe there is a large part of the population that listens to rap normally (particularly Italians). Kind of a tragedy that American nog influence has reached so far.