If the shah comes back then that's me. Any monarchy that gets established or restored after my rise to Emperor back in february is me creating allies worldwide.
Anecdotal experience tells me that Persians are pretty in line with the Turkish in terms of intelligence. I've had jobs with several (low-class) expats, and their language abilities in particular are much better than Arabs or central Asians. I personally prefer them over any other Middle Easterners
Iran currently has a consanguineous marriage rate of 38.6%. It’s been trending down a bit over time and used to be much higher. Consanguineous means the % of people married to their first cousin (or worse). Inbreeding is EXTREMELY common there and has been for centuries.
Interesting that you’ve also noticed the pattern of most of the prominent medieval iranians coming from around the khorasan region. Also, it’s somewhat related but it’s annoying how many people don’t know that iran was already minority zoroastrian by the time the arabs were invading it.
Where did you hear that? I could understand if it was the case, what with Christians, Jews, and Manichaeans, but I didn’t know Zoroastrians were an outright minority
I’d think Zoroastrianism was still the majority among Persians proper but it was losing ground among non Persians. Afghan/Pashtun kings were practicing both Buddhism and Hinduism in the pre-Islamic period and both Armenia and Mesopotamia were persianized. Transoxiana/Sogdia I think was heavily Buddhist.
It mostly did, but Afghanistan and Khwarazm were historically part of the Iranian Plateau Empires and comprised a large swathe of the population. Even the Medes conquered Afghanistan
You’re probably right, but as things stand, we won’t have reliable testing for a while. There's no reason to think that their average would be far off from the neighbouring peoples, even if it is on the upper.
They're similar in a way to the Indians...I bet some of you will still remember when Indians were deemed among the smartest and best immigrants until even not that long ago.
Thinking about that, the Parsis might have contributed to this perception as middle-man peoples are generally scoring higher on IQ tests and despite their small numbers they are pulling some heavy weight.
The claim that Indians have low genetic IQ is flawed. Most of Lynn's studies rely on small sample sizes and lack genetic data, making twin studies irrelevant in this context. Heritability estimates vary depending on the study and population, as Tuckheimer has noted.
It's misleading and reductive to predict the IQ of 1.4 billion people based solely on outdated WAIS samples. Without comprehensive genomic analysis of India's diverse population, claims about South Asians' genetic IQ lack evidence. More genomic data is needed to draw any conclusions.
Thank you. That puts it at equivalent to the average American black. 90 is the bare minimum for reading comprehension. At the mid-80’s, Fun With Dick and Jane reads like the Principia Mathematica
If the shah comes back then that's me. Any monarchy that gets established or restored after my rise to Emperor back in february is me creating allies worldwide.
Anecdotal experience tells me that Persians are pretty in line with the Turkish in terms of intelligence. I've had jobs with several (low-class) expats, and their language abilities in particular are much better than Arabs or central Asians. I personally prefer them over any other Middle Easterners
In all fairness, Persians probably have a much easier time learning English due to being in the same language family.
I mean....that doesn't really mean much. It's easier for an english speaker to learn Bahasa than some tonal IE language in India.
Turks from western anatolia have average IQs of 99-103. Their bad reputation mostly comes from poor people from central anatolia and Kurds.
Iran currently has a consanguineous marriage rate of 38.6%. It’s been trending down a bit over time and used to be much higher. Consanguineous means the % of people married to their first cousin (or worse). Inbreeding is EXTREMELY common there and has been for centuries.
Do with that information what you will.
Interesting that you’ve also noticed the pattern of most of the prominent medieval iranians coming from around the khorasan region. Also, it’s somewhat related but it’s annoying how many people don’t know that iran was already minority zoroastrian by the time the arabs were invading it.
Where did you hear that? I could understand if it was the case, what with Christians, Jews, and Manichaeans, but I didn’t know Zoroastrians were an outright minority
the last empire of iran by fred bonner
Zoroastrianism was the state religion of the Sassanian persia and the majority of the population practiced it.
State religion yeah but it wasn’t the majority religion of the persians themselves by the eve of the arab conquests
Then what was?
I’d think Zoroastrianism was still the majority among Persians proper but it was losing ground among non Persians. Afghan/Pashtun kings were practicing both Buddhism and Hinduism in the pre-Islamic period and both Armenia and Mesopotamia were persianized. Transoxiana/Sogdia I think was heavily Buddhist.
Buddhism was popular in Persia??? I thought it stopped in Afghanistan huh
It mostly did, but Afghanistan and Khwarazm were historically part of the Iranian Plateau Empires and comprised a large swathe of the population. Even the Medes conquered Afghanistan
It was probably still a plurality but Nestorian Christianity, Manichaeism, and Buddhism were encroaching on the Zoroastrian heartland
You’re probably right, but as things stand, we won’t have reliable testing for a while. There's no reason to think that their average would be far off from the neighbouring peoples, even if it is on the upper.
They're similar in a way to the Indians...I bet some of you will still remember when Indians were deemed among the smartest and best immigrants until even not that long ago.
Thinking about that, the Parsis might have contributed to this perception as middle-man peoples are generally scoring higher on IQ tests and despite their small numbers they are pulling some heavy weight.
The claim that Indians have low genetic IQ is flawed. Most of Lynn's studies rely on small sample sizes and lack genetic data, making twin studies irrelevant in this context. Heritability estimates vary depending on the study and population, as Tuckheimer has noted.
It's misleading and reductive to predict the IQ of 1.4 billion people based solely on outdated WAIS samples. Without comprehensive genomic analysis of India's diverse population, claims about South Asians' genetic IQ lack evidence. More genomic data is needed to draw any conclusions.
TL; DR. What is the average Iranian IQ?
Somewhere in the mid 80s
Thank you. That puts it at equivalent to the average American black. 90 is the bare minimum for reading comprehension. At the mid-80’s, Fun With Dick and Jane reads like the Principia Mathematica
IQ increases post war were probably not g-related. Eugenics works but it takes a while
You'd get a 5ish iq boost from less inbreeding.
Islam itself indirectly decreases it too.
Let's say 8 points higher without both.
Middle East would be comparable to E Europe