I enjoyed the section on the nuclear family, I feel like many tradbros get too caught up with the familial relationships of old & end up misinterpreting it as something similar to a Mexican household. The extended family was most likely more similar to small clan than 20 people living under the same roof.
I grew up in a extended family in a naval town where both sides of family all lives within an half-hour’s drive from each other. We all congregated every weekend at Grandma’s pool. With 13 uncles and aunts and more great-uncles and aunts and many cousins, it was a lot of fun for a little kid like me. We all our own houses and when my parents started out, we rented a house by inland with 6 brothers and sisters and a couple of in-laws. So, it’s very workable with separate households close by.
I had always thought the indo Europeans created the wheel as a byproduct of sun iconography or the reverence for the sun came from the sun shaped wheels that facilitated their expansion
>The Indo-Europeans were monogamous!!! People imagine a Steppe warlord with 20 wives, that is not the general case
Then what about the neolithic farmers? I keep hearing that at some point the situation was so extreme that every man had 17 wives or something along those lines. does this have anything to do with the WHG resurgence?
No this is based on the fact that at points in history there would be these gendercides where large swathes of men would be killed or enslaved, but these are temporary Y-DNA bottlenecks and not constant social conditions. I’m actually not sure if the EEFs were polygamous
i guess that’s more plausible, but i have had this other thought which confuses me, were the yamnaya a generally “swarthy” people? survive the jive said they were and that only in their succeeding cultures did they select more and more for lighter features and he also mentions the aryan invaders of india as being “whiter” than englishmen which makes me wonder how this is possible since it’s been said that they under went some mixing with the BMAC.
The Aryan invaders of India were probably not very rich with BMAC ancestry, as it is not really present in India today nor was it present in the Iron Age Swat Valley samples. Meanwhile there are Sintashta individuals very far south around the time just before the Indo-Aryan invasion who are still over 90% Sintashta
All of these samples are Southern Andronovo, not too far from the Hindu Kush, and over 90% of their ancestry comes from Steppe sources (Sintashta or Afanasievo)
Interesting, so i’m guessing the BMAC influence might’ve been cultural? because i keep seeing the name pop up so much…
Also, was survive the jive right then? because i’ve heard that the Yamanya were 10% blue eyed but the Sintashta (according to Razib Khan who i’m not sure if he’s reliable he’s jus the first dude i saw on this topic ) were more around 30% (which is still a big amount tbf comparable to serbia ) but there’s this chart (https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6NRZXtWsgtY/Wy7jUB4xYMI/AAAAAAAAG6k/B8mLVJnbwOU6IC--9X4LLpEVagUuZrbYwCLcBGAs/s1600/Pheno_SNPs_SA.png) which to be honest i’m not sure how to interpret other than the fact that most sintashta had the genes for light features because i’m not too familiar with this side of genetics.
Corded ware were around 25-30% blue eyed I think Sintashta is above 30%. Yamnaya have less blue eyes because Corded Ware have ancestry from the half-WHG farmers of northern europe. Sintashta were like half blond (including dirty blond) but probably less blue eyed than blond
I think Afanasievo has somewhat higher incidences of blue eyes than Yamnaya for some reason even though they're genetically the same. Maybe blue eyes were negatively effected by bottleneck of Yamnaya ancestry meanwhile Afanasievo has more pre-bottleneck Repin. Or it's just sample bias.
BMAC had influence on Iranic cultures more than it did Indic cultures but still probably no more than Neolithic Europeans had on European cultures. It was kind of a meme from the pre-archaeogenetics era that is not as relevant now, but it's true that early Iron Age Iranics were something of an even split between Sintashta-Andronovo type ancestry and BMAC type ancestry
Approach a walled city with your huge mob of peasants
Surround the city with your great numbers
Then use your heaps of men to overcome the city defenses. Build ramps, build battering rams, etc.
Burst into the city or get to a high enough leverage point that you can throw projectiles down into the city, or just starve them out since they probably can’t count on a relief army.
I think states originated moreso as early “cults” or whatever. Since back then asymmetrical warfare was already expensive enough on its own and to take someone’s land and try to farm it was just as difficult. i’m kinda retarded so i’m not sure how to explain it further but it makes sense in hindsight, many of these early states in egypt, china, mesopotamia relied on their rulers having some form of divine right whether it’s by a mandate of heaven or being a literal God
> the monastery (actually quite a nice existence)
i do wonder about this, a lot of these monks were bright minds and could’ve put their genes into the pool but at the same time having more fighting men around in society just makes it so much more violent . And there’s also the point about polygamy , you didn’t mention just how absolutely violent those societies generally are , i do wonder just how different america would’ve been if mainstream mormons still practiced polygamy.
It's important to note that the divine right many aristocracies claimed were from pre-Christian times, pagan or animist. These people weren't made king because of religious authority so much as they were seen as blessed by the gods due to their superior intellect, courage, etc.
A good forerunner to the medieval type divine right beliefs is the Imperial Cult in Rome, where the semi-deification of the Caesar was based on observations of his superiority. This was how ancient societies explained the inherent differences between individuals, the gods simply favored some more than others.
Point being the idea of divine right came secondary based on observations on seeing these aristocracies come to power.
The polygamist Mormons used to be pretty violent. They had a large population of “Lost Boys,” teenagers who stood no chance to get married and basically just had to go out and be bandits or move into Mexico to marry Mexican women. It wasn’t a good arrangement for the majority of the male Mormon population.
Sorry if I sound like Meditations here, but it probably wasn’t quite as bad of an option in an age before industrial processed food and sugar (not that it was ever a good option, but you should get what I mean). I think the infamously bad Mexican diet has not only ballooned a lot of them up into fatties, it’s probably not good for their intelligence and mental state and brings out the worst in their character. Mexico was maybe not firing on all cylinders even at the best of times, but it was at least an actual country at one point, and not the cartel zone it is today.
I enjoyed the section on the nuclear family, I feel like many tradbros get too caught up with the familial relationships of old & end up misinterpreting it as something similar to a Mexican household. The extended family was most likely more similar to small clan than 20 people living under the same roof.
I grew up in a extended family in a naval town where both sides of family all lives within an half-hour’s drive from each other. We all congregated every weekend at Grandma’s pool. With 13 uncles and aunts and more great-uncles and aunts and many cousins, it was a lot of fun for a little kid like me. We all our own houses and when my parents started out, we rented a house by inland with 6 brothers and sisters and a couple of in-laws. So, it’s very workable with separate households close by.
Japhethites mentioned, automatic like for YQVNG EVRTH TRVTHVRS
Great read. Thanks for this one
Nigga I uploaded it like a second ago, I know your dog ass hasn’t finished it yet!
Did yuo consider that maybe he was just like that tho???
Where the boob break!?!?!?
Change tha world
Reading this one on the clock… I love goofing off at work!
I had always thought the indo Europeans created the wheel as a byproduct of sun iconography or the reverence for the sun came from the sun shaped wheels that facilitated their expansion
Awesome read my man
>The Indo-Europeans were monogamous!!! People imagine a Steppe warlord with 20 wives, that is not the general case
Then what about the neolithic farmers? I keep hearing that at some point the situation was so extreme that every man had 17 wives or something along those lines. does this have anything to do with the WHG resurgence?
No this is based on the fact that at points in history there would be these gendercides where large swathes of men would be killed or enslaved, but these are temporary Y-DNA bottlenecks and not constant social conditions. I’m actually not sure if the EEFs were polygamous
i guess that’s more plausible, but i have had this other thought which confuses me, were the yamnaya a generally “swarthy” people? survive the jive said they were and that only in their succeeding cultures did they select more and more for lighter features and he also mentions the aryan invaders of india as being “whiter” than englishmen which makes me wonder how this is possible since it’s been said that they under went some mixing with the BMAC.
The Aryan invaders of India were probably not very rich with BMAC ancestry, as it is not really present in India today nor was it present in the Iron Age Swat Valley samples. Meanwhile there are Sintashta individuals very far south around the time just before the Indo-Aryan invasion who are still over 90% Sintashta
https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/04/on-doorstep-of-india.html
Target Distance RUS_Sintashta_MLBA RUS_Afanasievo IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N CHN_Tarim_EMBA1 IND_Great_Andamanese_100BP RUS_Shamanka_N
UZB_Kashkarchi_BA 0.01639769 85.0 8.2 1.6 4.8 0.4 0.0
TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA 0.01165348 76.0 14.0 6.8 1.8 1.4 0.0
UZB_Kokcha_BA 0.01775384 75.4 17.4 4.6 2.4 0.0 0.2
Average 0.01526834 78.8 13.2 4.3 3.0 0.6 0.1
Target Distance Sintashta_Plus_Afanasevo IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N CHN_Tarim_EMBA1 IND_Great_Andamanese_100BP RUS_Shamanka_N
TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA 0.01165348 90.0 6.8 1.8 1.4 0.0
UZB_Kashkarchi_BA 0.01639769 93.2 1.6 4.8 0.4 0.0
UZB_Kokcha_BA 0.01775384 92.8 4.6 2.4 0.0 0.2
Average 0.01526834 92.0 4.3 3.0 0.6 0.1
All of these samples are Southern Andronovo, not too far from the Hindu Kush, and over 90% of their ancestry comes from Steppe sources (Sintashta or Afanasievo)
Interesting, so i’m guessing the BMAC influence might’ve been cultural? because i keep seeing the name pop up so much…
Also, was survive the jive right then? because i’ve heard that the Yamanya were 10% blue eyed but the Sintashta (according to Razib Khan who i’m not sure if he’s reliable he’s jus the first dude i saw on this topic ) were more around 30% (which is still a big amount tbf comparable to serbia ) but there’s this chart (https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6NRZXtWsgtY/Wy7jUB4xYMI/AAAAAAAAG6k/B8mLVJnbwOU6IC--9X4LLpEVagUuZrbYwCLcBGAs/s1600/Pheno_SNPs_SA.png) which to be honest i’m not sure how to interpret other than the fact that most sintashta had the genes for light features because i’m not too familiar with this side of genetics.
Corded ware were around 25-30% blue eyed I think Sintashta is above 30%. Yamnaya have less blue eyes because Corded Ware have ancestry from the half-WHG farmers of northern europe. Sintashta were like half blond (including dirty blond) but probably less blue eyed than blond
I think Afanasievo has somewhat higher incidences of blue eyes than Yamnaya for some reason even though they're genetically the same. Maybe blue eyes were negatively effected by bottleneck of Yamnaya ancestry meanwhile Afanasievo has more pre-bottleneck Repin. Or it's just sample bias.
BMAC had influence on Iranic cultures more than it did Indic cultures but still probably no more than Neolithic Europeans had on European cultures. It was kind of a meme from the pre-archaeogenetics era that is not as relevant now, but it's true that early Iron Age Iranics were something of an even split between Sintashta-Andronovo type ancestry and BMAC type ancestry
How exactly was the early warfare centered around sieges?
I think just something like:
Approach a walled city with your huge mob of peasants
Surround the city with your great numbers
Then use your heaps of men to overcome the city defenses. Build ramps, build battering rams, etc.
Burst into the city or get to a high enough leverage point that you can throw projectiles down into the city, or just starve them out since they probably can’t count on a relief army.
I think states originated moreso as early “cults” or whatever. Since back then asymmetrical warfare was already expensive enough on its own and to take someone’s land and try to farm it was just as difficult. i’m kinda retarded so i’m not sure how to explain it further but it makes sense in hindsight, many of these early states in egypt, china, mesopotamia relied on their rulers having some form of divine right whether it’s by a mandate of heaven or being a literal God
> the monastery (actually quite a nice existence)
i do wonder about this, a lot of these monks were bright minds and could’ve put their genes into the pool but at the same time having more fighting men around in society just makes it so much more violent . And there’s also the point about polygamy , you didn’t mention just how absolutely violent those societies generally are , i do wonder just how different america would’ve been if mainstream mormons still practiced polygamy.
It's important to note that the divine right many aristocracies claimed were from pre-Christian times, pagan or animist. These people weren't made king because of religious authority so much as they were seen as blessed by the gods due to their superior intellect, courage, etc.
A good forerunner to the medieval type divine right beliefs is the Imperial Cult in Rome, where the semi-deification of the Caesar was based on observations of his superiority. This was how ancient societies explained the inherent differences between individuals, the gods simply favored some more than others.
Point being the idea of divine right came secondary based on observations on seeing these aristocracies come to power.
The polygamist Mormons used to be pretty violent. They had a large population of “Lost Boys,” teenagers who stood no chance to get married and basically just had to go out and be bandits or move into Mexico to marry Mexican women. It wasn’t a good arrangement for the majority of the male Mormon population.
Sorry if I sound like Meditations here, but it probably wasn’t quite as bad of an option in an age before industrial processed food and sugar (not that it was ever a good option, but you should get what I mean). I think the infamously bad Mexican diet has not only ballooned a lot of them up into fatties, it’s probably not good for their intelligence and mental state and brings out the worst in their character. Mexico was maybe not firing on all cylinders even at the best of times, but it was at least an actual country at one point, and not the cartel zone it is today.