A common gotcha I see is "You complain about male suicide, but make fun of men crying or showing emotion!" This is due to a fundamental misunderstanding of what drives suicide in men. The common causes of suicides in women (isolation, bullying, self image) are projected onto men, where it does not usually apply. Suicide in men is much more often motivated by (real or perseved) lack of accomplishment or opportunity. The solution to this isn't to try cheering them up and hugging them while they cry (a tactic which might work for many women), but to create opportunities for achievement and continues growth. An excellent example of this misstep is "no tolerance" rules about bullying and especially any physical fighting in schools. The idea is that bullying and hurting people will cause suicide, so it has to stop. Instead, suicide amongst adolescent boys has skyrocketed in the last 20 years. Of course it has! A boy can't even tussle with his friends! And am actual fight against a bad person? One of the most exhilarating and accomplishing tasks many young men go through? Today anything like that ends in suspension and even police involvement. Men amd women are different, especially emotionally. The solutions for female and male suicide are different.
Excellent article. You did a great job analyzing the different conditions that drive suicide, the male-female mental health divide, and other important issues that we rarely get these more scrutinous perspectives on. I’ll be restacking!
Ngl I have a hard time treating your seriously after I learned that you fart on your dog. Such a smart individual posting about society and religion yet you can't resist the temptation to fart on your dog!
Gay people eat poop all the time but you still wouldn't give them ur poop right? The dogs may not react to it but farting on a living creature is kinda gross. Farting is gross in general I think that in the satya yuga we will not fart
I would not give gay people my poop because I know they will do unnatural dark things with it that offends nature. I can fart on my dog knowing well that he won’t do anything evil to it
And yes in the satya yuga some of us will not fart
I am terrified of pills. There was this annoying kid in my highschool class and while he was always "dim" after they got him on pills he switched from talking about shit no one cares about to being apathetic, quiet and much more retarded.
Plus trying to hack your sovl with chemistry is never a good idea.
It’s fun but a lot of it is vibey. It’s not very scientific and relies a lot on intuition and poetic license, which doesn’t mean it is wrong. You can’t really use science to understand the mind as well as you can for other things because empirical observation is entirely contingent on the mind rather than the other away around
This is a good article, and thanks for linking to my note about virtue ethics, that's pretty cool. One thing that frustrates me about discussions of suicide is that they almost completely focus on the psychology and morality of it (to try find causes or evaluate its validity), and not on the mechanics of how suicidal ideation leads to suicide itself (which actually shows where risk is greater or less).
I wrote a post a while ago on paper that I read, which is pretty much the only one I've encountered that explains the etiology of suicide that maps out how desire leads to intent leads to the act itself based on particular emergent variables.
The short description is that men desire to kill themselves far less than women but are far more effective at it; where as women experience negative emotions that create ideation much more, but lack the capability to follow through.
The longer answer is that the pathway from depression (or whatever else) to suicide is kind of like a gated walkway. The first two gates are the build-up of negative emotion that can probably be linked to mental illness or life circumstances in various cases.
But, it's not until the third gate is crossed (identified as an emergent variable called "acquired capability for suicide") that the risk turns way up. This third gate depends on things like impulsivity, comfortability with aggression, tendency to employ violence, exposure to combat and weaponry, etc. – all of which are much more common in men.
This suggests that treatment to address males' 'acquired capability for suicide' directly and in the moment would prove much more effective than treatments that address males' 'negative emotional state.' In other words, if you give a guy a pizza slice or power drill to get him to put down the gun, he probably won't commit suicide even if he's in despair from being homeless and and jobless.
Good post, but I think you're strawmanning the trads. I've never heard trads say that you should marry a 30 year old, in fact I've heard most of them do the libertarian type borderline pedophile antics
Nuremburg not being a legitimate legal trial is pretty well-known at this point. The Allies didn’t have any legal authority over the Germans at the times their “crimes” were committed, it’s all retroactive. I’m sure just by looking it up you can find many mainstream scholars admitting to this.
As for the trial being a sham in other ways, I know there’s a good book pointing out all of the silly shit said at the trials and the string-pulling behind the scenes. I’ll try to find it for you, but a lot of the claims at Nuremburg (ex: “Peddle powered brain bashing machines”) and Dachau being an extermination camp, are now denied by mainstream Holocaust historians
TLDR: thug it out!!! And that’s on fauci!!!!!
A common gotcha I see is "You complain about male suicide, but make fun of men crying or showing emotion!" This is due to a fundamental misunderstanding of what drives suicide in men. The common causes of suicides in women (isolation, bullying, self image) are projected onto men, where it does not usually apply. Suicide in men is much more often motivated by (real or perseved) lack of accomplishment or opportunity. The solution to this isn't to try cheering them up and hugging them while they cry (a tactic which might work for many women), but to create opportunities for achievement and continues growth. An excellent example of this misstep is "no tolerance" rules about bullying and especially any physical fighting in schools. The idea is that bullying and hurting people will cause suicide, so it has to stop. Instead, suicide amongst adolescent boys has skyrocketed in the last 20 years. Of course it has! A boy can't even tussle with his friends! And am actual fight against a bad person? One of the most exhilarating and accomplishing tasks many young men go through? Today anything like that ends in suspension and even police involvement. Men amd women are different, especially emotionally. The solutions for female and male suicide are different.
This is so true. I love to fight and be physical so much.
Even slapboxing a Varsity teammate for fun in high school was one of the most thrilling things I've ever done. I wish I could relive it.
If more boys went through mandatory slapboxing I think the longhouse would be exterminated
Excellent article. You did a great job analyzing the different conditions that drive suicide, the male-female mental health divide, and other important issues that we rarely get these more scrutinous perspectives on. I’ll be restacking!
Ngl I have a hard time treating your seriously after I learned that you fart on your dog. Such a smart individual posting about society and religion yet you can't resist the temptation to fart on your dog!
I don’t understand why you wouldn’t fart on your dog. There’s no downside
It's gross
Why is it more gross than farting on nothing in particular? Like I said in my post, the dogs don’t even seem to react at all to it
Gay people eat poop all the time but you still wouldn't give them ur poop right? The dogs may not react to it but farting on a living creature is kinda gross. Farting is gross in general I think that in the satya yuga we will not fart
I would not give gay people my poop because I know they will do unnatural dark things with it that offends nature. I can fart on my dog knowing well that he won’t do anything evil to it
And yes in the satya yuga some of us will not fart
I am terrified of pills. There was this annoying kid in my highschool class and while he was always "dim" after they got him on pills he switched from talking about shit no one cares about to being apathetic, quiet and much more retarded.
Plus trying to hack your sovl with chemistry is never a good idea.
Bangerall is…. le bad?? FLIP 😭
Bangerall le good because amphetamines are just PEDs
Dunno about you but I’m immediately killing myself after receiving a bad type of cancer or dementia diagnosis.
I would probably kill myself if I had alzheimers or dementia. Well, I'd try to go out in a funner way I guess.
What are you thoughts on psychoanalysis?
It’s fun but a lot of it is vibey. It’s not very scientific and relies a lot on intuition and poetic license, which doesn’t mean it is wrong. You can’t really use science to understand the mind as well as you can for other things because empirical observation is entirely contingent on the mind rather than the other away around
This is a good article, and thanks for linking to my note about virtue ethics, that's pretty cool. One thing that frustrates me about discussions of suicide is that they almost completely focus on the psychology and morality of it (to try find causes or evaluate its validity), and not on the mechanics of how suicidal ideation leads to suicide itself (which actually shows where risk is greater or less).
I wrote a post a while ago on paper that I read, which is pretty much the only one I've encountered that explains the etiology of suicide that maps out how desire leads to intent leads to the act itself based on particular emergent variables.
https://rajeevram.substack.com/p/the-interpersonal-theory-of-suicide
The short description is that men desire to kill themselves far less than women but are far more effective at it; where as women experience negative emotions that create ideation much more, but lack the capability to follow through.
The longer answer is that the pathway from depression (or whatever else) to suicide is kind of like a gated walkway. The first two gates are the build-up of negative emotion that can probably be linked to mental illness or life circumstances in various cases.
But, it's not until the third gate is crossed (identified as an emergent variable called "acquired capability for suicide") that the risk turns way up. This third gate depends on things like impulsivity, comfortability with aggression, tendency to employ violence, exposure to combat and weaponry, etc. – all of which are much more common in men.
This suggests that treatment to address males' 'acquired capability for suicide' directly and in the moment would prove much more effective than treatments that address males' 'negative emotional state.' In other words, if you give a guy a pizza slice or power drill to get him to put down the gun, he probably won't commit suicide even if he's in despair from being homeless and and jobless.
Suicide is badass!
no soggu
Good post, but I think you're strawmanning the trads. I've never heard trads say that you should marry a 30 year old, in fact I've heard most of them do the libertarian type borderline pedophile antics
I’m killing my self soon
No.
Nuremburg not being a legitimate legal trial is pretty well-known at this point. The Allies didn’t have any legal authority over the Germans at the times their “crimes” were committed, it’s all retroactive. I’m sure just by looking it up you can find many mainstream scholars admitting to this.
As for the trial being a sham in other ways, I know there’s a good book pointing out all of the silly shit said at the trials and the string-pulling behind the scenes. I’ll try to find it for you, but a lot of the claims at Nuremburg (ex: “Peddle powered brain bashing machines”) and Dachau being an extermination camp, are now denied by mainstream Holocaust historians