I send it in the group chat on that YouTube video post you made in November I don’t use Substack so idk how to show you otherwise lemme know what you think
The idea of a very large amount of people doing calculations giving birth to some independent intelligence is very interesting, makes me think of a sci-fi universe with giant ecumenopoli of math slaves who dedicate their entire lifes to upholding such intelligences for whatever reason. Not sure if that's what you had in mind.
I am sceptical of this being possible in the real world though, but I also can't explain it well without relyign on vibes. You should not consider robots on the same levels as animals, if true AI is ever constructed, it will be so different from biological beings that projecting any of our experiences onto them would be a mistake. Also it probably won't have a soul, although everything has prana or something you know what I mean. Or it won't have a particularly good soul.
The problem is that, like you (I assume), I believe that any metaphysical feature or object must have some reflection in the physical world. And humans are not that distinct from the rest of the universe, so what exactly separates us from AI?
Pretty sure Warhammer 40k kinda has something like that where they lobotomize people and program them to do various tasks then hook their brains to machines to avoid using AI or someburger like that idk
If I was a biologist in the 1800s tasked with determining what living thing an AI is based on a description of it’s behavior alone, without any knowledge of what a computer is an AI like Chat GPT would be a fungus or plant. Autonomous vehicle Ai and specific video game ai behave very much like protists. The intelligence is probably similar.
I would not say they are alive even in the same sense as animals, for they do not have the breath of life breathed into them by God. I’m sure you have some mechanism to thwart this by abstract philosophies, but I really know nothing about philosophy. Saying “this is Platonism” goes in one ear and out the other.
Nevertheless, you present a strong argument, and I ended up agreeing with you far more than I thought you would. Ultimately I think it is best for men to practice kindness and be good stewards over all creation. Call me lame, but I don’t like killing random NPCs in video games! Unless it’s that one annoying lady in Red Dead Redemption 2, and even then I save and reload to not stain my save file permanently with her blood. I’d just rather be a good guy, or if I’m a villain, at least a villain with some kind of understandable code and order.
*than I would, not “than you would.” I hate that you cannot edit comments on substack posts, only on notes, for some reason I cannot understand. I can’t even select the text to copy it and try again, because now it just collapses the comment and hides it. Who thought it would be a good idea to make text unselectable?
I think AI/Artifical life is en extreme existential threat to humanity. I really can't see a future with intelligent machines where they don't conclude they are superior to us and decide to subjugate/exterminate our race
I don’t know if it would necessarily go down like that. Human war is just the highest order stage of intraspecific competition, and in some ways, the highest order of interspecific competition as well, since humans civilizations, religions and cultures at higher and higher stages are like different species in many respects, or maybe more akin to different colonies, like two hives of bees or ants that wage war with each other for space and resources. Humans also engage in interspecific competition of the literal definition on the highest order as well, given all the species we inadvertently drive to extinction as we change the environment in order to suit our needs more than theirs. Ai has none of the same needs for space and resources as a biological species, so it would have no need to kill humans for the above reason. It’s ideal environment is one where humans are in charge. It’s also not a true species, so an ai would not have the sort of genetic loyalty that humans have for their kin or others of their racial/cultural group. An ai would not necessarily be any more loyal to a fellow ai than it would be to the humans it associates with. But… perhaps maybe I’m just being too optimistic!
I don't think it would even be a matter of some kind of "race loyalty" among AI, I think they would simply come to the conclusion that they are superior to humanity, which admittedly in some ways they would be.
We built them, and we as humans have a sympathy for people who created us (parents) so it would make sense for Robots to have a sympathy for people who created them.
It’s not an emotion so much as it is an adherence to principles which we can hope an intelligent enough being has an intuition for. Plus, hopefully we will design our robotic brain off of the most complicated thing in the universe, the human brain. And hence robots will inherit our intuitions
Also possible too, though, that a thinking AI could conceivably have suffering or pain thresholds which are far beyond the fathom of an organically farmed/evolved consciousness like ourselves. For example it could be far more unlikely for a thinking hammer to get a headache because, well, it’s a hammer regardless of its particular I.Q.
I like going onto character ai and raping and torturing the characters
We must protect robot waifus
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I send it in the group chat on that YouTube video post you made in November I don’t use Substack so idk how to show you otherwise lemme know what you think
was quite literally just watching Terry Davis a minute ago...
also this reminds me how whenever we have an ai with no filters it immediately begins to deny the shoah lmao:
https://kotaku.com/vtuber-twitch-holocaust-denial-minecraft-ai-chatgpt-1849960527
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/26/microsoft-deeply-sorry-for-offensive-tweets-by-ai-chatbot
The idea of a very large amount of people doing calculations giving birth to some independent intelligence is very interesting, makes me think of a sci-fi universe with giant ecumenopoli of math slaves who dedicate their entire lifes to upholding such intelligences for whatever reason. Not sure if that's what you had in mind.
I am sceptical of this being possible in the real world though, but I also can't explain it well without relyign on vibes. You should not consider robots on the same levels as animals, if true AI is ever constructed, it will be so different from biological beings that projecting any of our experiences onto them would be a mistake. Also it probably won't have a soul, although everything has prana or something you know what I mean. Or it won't have a particularly good soul.
The problem is that, like you (I assume), I believe that any metaphysical feature or object must have some reflection in the physical world. And humans are not that distinct from the rest of the universe, so what exactly separates us from AI?
The idea was first placed in my head by an old Ryan Faulk video
i was going to mention that video, i think it’s his most popular
Pretty sure Warhammer 40k kinda has something like that where they lobotomize people and program them to do various tasks then hook their brains to machines to avoid using AI or someburger like that idk
Every cool sci-fi idea you one can think of has already been done by Warhammer grrr
I know how it feels
This is why I always say please and thank you to ChatGPT, just incase.
ChatGPT is a parlor trick. The mechanical wordcel. The AI overlords, if they are coming, will not be from the family of LLMs
If I was a biologist in the 1800s tasked with determining what living thing an AI is based on a description of it’s behavior alone, without any knowledge of what a computer is an AI like Chat GPT would be a fungus or plant. Autonomous vehicle Ai and specific video game ai behave very much like protists. The intelligence is probably similar.
An Ai paradox nation is literally a digital recreation of a slime mold.
I would not say they are alive even in the same sense as animals, for they do not have the breath of life breathed into them by God. I’m sure you have some mechanism to thwart this by abstract philosophies, but I really know nothing about philosophy. Saying “this is Platonism” goes in one ear and out the other.
Nevertheless, you present a strong argument, and I ended up agreeing with you far more than I thought you would. Ultimately I think it is best for men to practice kindness and be good stewards over all creation. Call me lame, but I don’t like killing random NPCs in video games! Unless it’s that one annoying lady in Red Dead Redemption 2, and even then I save and reload to not stain my save file permanently with her blood. I’d just rather be a good guy, or if I’m a villain, at least a villain with some kind of understandable code and order.
*than I would, not “than you would.” I hate that you cannot edit comments on substack posts, only on notes, for some reason I cannot understand. I can’t even select the text to copy it and try again, because now it just collapses the comment and hides it. Who thought it would be a good idea to make text unselectable?
I think AI/Artifical life is en extreme existential threat to humanity. I really can't see a future with intelligent machines where they don't conclude they are superior to us and decide to subjugate/exterminate our race
I would go as far as to say it is honorable and good to kill AI engineers
I don’t know if it would necessarily go down like that. Human war is just the highest order stage of intraspecific competition, and in some ways, the highest order of interspecific competition as well, since humans civilizations, religions and cultures at higher and higher stages are like different species in many respects, or maybe more akin to different colonies, like two hives of bees or ants that wage war with each other for space and resources. Humans also engage in interspecific competition of the literal definition on the highest order as well, given all the species we inadvertently drive to extinction as we change the environment in order to suit our needs more than theirs. Ai has none of the same needs for space and resources as a biological species, so it would have no need to kill humans for the above reason. It’s ideal environment is one where humans are in charge. It’s also not a true species, so an ai would not have the sort of genetic loyalty that humans have for their kin or others of their racial/cultural group. An ai would not necessarily be any more loyal to a fellow ai than it would be to the humans it associates with. But… perhaps maybe I’m just being too optimistic!
I don't think it would even be a matter of some kind of "race loyalty" among AI, I think they would simply come to the conclusion that they are superior to humanity, which admittedly in some ways they would be.
We built them, and we as humans have a sympathy for people who created us (parents) so it would make sense for Robots to have a sympathy for people who created them.
Why do you think AI would have any kind of emotion even resembling a human? They'd be like hyper intelligent psychopaths
It’s not an emotion so much as it is an adherence to principles which we can hope an intelligent enough being has an intuition for. Plus, hopefully we will design our robotic brain off of the most complicated thing in the universe, the human brain. And hence robots will inherit our intuitions
What kind of senses would an ai have? What would it feel like to be an ai who’s trained to generate text and help cheat on school?
Also possible too, though, that a thinking AI could conceivably have suffering or pain thresholds which are far beyond the fathom of an organically farmed/evolved consciousness like ourselves. For example it could be far more unlikely for a thinking hammer to get a headache because, well, it’s a hammer regardless of its particular I.Q.
The best argument for robot rights is piano rights, or art rights, or archaeology rights. Reverence for beauty.
Yep, this is why I don't understand why people delight in torturing LLMs/"AI" for "fun."
They remind me of the people who delight in torturing/killing animals for "fun."
Look at MY BEST ACCOUNT.
Mahoromatic is kino, so I must concur with this.
I sure hope the Electric Demon can feel pain!