I tried the cheese bread thing—not in Georgia, but it was very tasty. It seems that the dominant strand of pan-European identity-building (the mainstream institutional kind, which precludes white nationalism) is Russophobia. The inclusion of Georgia in 'European'-related projects is a great example of how irrational this hatred is.
>He probably goes home to his family and starts speaking something resembling Orcish or Black Tongue from Lord of the Rings.
I remember there was some controversy in turkey because he referred to some town in its old greek , and not the “ataturk approved” turkish name , weirdly enough i’ve heard that this greek name is barely even used -like never … Interesting stuff…
> Dagestanis have a lot of steppe ancestry, more than Ossetians and Chechens. But they are Muslims and they give off terrorist vibes unlike the Tatars.
is there any reason besides possible bottleneck that Chechens compared to other caucus groups are very blond/red headed? I noticed that dagestanis just divert their energies to martial arts , whilst chechens just go off to whatever country around them is in war to fight there (wonder how much polygamy is there considering that crony kadyrov has two wives!!!)
I don't think Chechens are actually more fair featured than other NE Caucasians. I know some famous Chechens have light features but I think it's just because chechens are more famous than, say, Darginians or Laks or Lezgins
well the fact that this is the first time i’m hearing of a darginian probably proves your point , but still i’ve never seen a blond even brown haired dagestani.
i was literally watching a documentary on the chechen war (cursed &forgotten) today and i see this … there’s no way we aren’t some way interlinked… cells interlinked …
Georgia is an evil Eastern place that produced some of the worst Oriental Despots in modern history. Plus they were an integral faction of the Bolshevik coalition of undermen who institued the Red Terror against the Russian and broader East Slavic people. Hard pass on them being in "Paneuropa" or whatever
I have had the misfortune of interacting with some Georgian ultranationalists on various sites of the internet, and they are some of the most batshit insane people in the world. They believe in many genetic conspiracy theories and celebrate Stalin killing Europeans. They’re extremely anti-white
i used to know this one georgian on discord called joseph stalin, and every time he joined voice call all he would talk abput was killing all the gays. funny guy
I think people consider Georgia and Armenia to be European is because to their relation to Russia and being a part of "orthodox civilisation" whatever that means. If those RW little dark age edits consider Russia as cobservative white why wouldn't they consider Georgia?
Russians are White though. Like, I know we like to joke about them being mongoloids, but we shouldn't because they thrive on that shit. Someone has to tell them that they're from the swamps of Belarus, not the free steppe, that their entire ethnogenesis occurred in battle with the Tatar and the Mongol.
Yeah Russians are white but I am talking more of a cultural similarities here. In their eyes they are not western and western term of being white doesn't mean anything. They weren't considerete white 80 years ago and where genocided. Today roles have changed and they are though of as saviors of the white race although only in the west, Russians don't care as much about it. If they do they are NS larpers that use english internet a bit too much. I hate that Georgian nigga Gatssu, totaly westernized knowing american politics better than in his home country. What was I talking about....mmm...yeah Spengler was talking about upcoming Russian civilisation in this century, and I think Georgians and Armenians fit into that civilisation, althought there are still many differences between them
Russians were definitely considered White by almost everyone. Even the Nazis didn’t really fully consider them nonwhite so much as they considered them a “decadent” or “degenerated” race. Even before Peter to some extent but especially after, Russia’s high culture was heavily intertwined with that of Western Europe. It’s Ironic, Brezhnev was ruling a communist egalitarian state but secretly wanted to support pan-Europeanism, but when Putin supports a Russian state he promotes “Eurasianism” and denies the Europeanness of Russians.
Lots of Russian are Slavinized Finns and Uralians but most are Slavic settlers from Belarus and Ukraine. My dad's ancestors from the Don River Valley came from Western Ukraine and East Central Europe.
Orthodox civilization is just a civilization of Orthodox Christians, nearly all of whom are white and European. Even if you can contrast the Byzantine with the Latin, it’s still European and still descends from the Roman Empire. Orthodoxy isn’t mutually exclusive from white or European, in praxis or in identity. Whether or not it is “western” is kind of relative, since western kind of means Latin/Germanic since the days of the Frankish Empire.
For what it’s worth, Patriarch Kirill of Moscow is pretty vocal about the European roots of Russia and how this identity should be embraced. But he’s also not in charge of the Russian state, and that state really wants for him to play ball and do ecumenist lip service to keep the peace with Chechens and Turks.
Russia has a lot of differing ideas on how it should view its role in the world. Some of them are western, some of them Byzantine, some of them socialist, and some of them Asiatic. It’s easy to conflate them all and just imagine Russia as this weird undefinable other that has no place in the rest of the world’s designs, but that’s not necessarily how they view themselves or how they really are.
Honestly the most important thing that gets them recognized as white/European is just that they’re “white-enough” people who are historically Christian and proximal to Europe. This was enough to get Georgians and Armenians counted as white back in the 19th Century, even in tough one-drop-rule Southern states. What’s really funny is that Indians (Hindus) tried to play the racial science game back then and there are court cases where they argued that, as descendants of the ancient Aryans, they were white enough to attain US citizenship—and the judges ruled that they weren’t white.
Addendum: As for Syriac Christians, who are historically Christian, proximal to Europe, and often as pale as Greeks and Italians (or even more so), they are minorities in a majority-Muslim ethnic group and were ruled over by the Ottoman Empire into the 20th Century. The Georgians and Armenians were mostly ruled by the Russian Empire, a Christian European state. Maybe if the Levant was more connected to the rest of Europe, like if the Crusader States endured, we would count the Lebanese and Syrians as “basically white” for everyday purposes.
I've heard Georgia is essentially a corrupt mafia state and their eponymous mafia is spread all over the ex-USSR. Maybe this is why Russians view 'churkas' the way we view latinx or nogs.
"Azeris are not Turks, they are Iranians and Lezgins who speak the wrong language." I have observed the exact opposite: blonde Turks, asian eyes among Azeris.
I have met blond Turks back in my freshman year of college and literally didn't believe they were Turkish when they told me. I asked if they were Greeks living in Turkey, which in hindsight probably pissed them off LOL
Is there any genetic differentiation between the three caucasian language families. Like do Northwest Caucasians have greater CHG than kartvelians and NE Caucasians, or are all speakers a pretty homogenous mix between CHG, Zagros farmer and Anatolian farmer.
"During the Chalcolithic, there was a small migration of Steppe people into the Middle East, contributing very slightly to the genome of the Kura-Araxes group, and leaving behind a small population of steppe-admixed people around the Areni Caves. I was kind of astonished as well by the fact that they had fair hair and eyes."
Cool. I'm trying to think of how I can use this article to help my Catacomb historical fiction.
I always liked Armenians because I've known some pretty cool ones here in America, but beyond from that I have always viewed them and other Caucuses groups as "hedge-Whites" meaning there might be admixture from us, maybe even sometimes origin stories with us, but they are outliers at best and foreigners at worst.
Hey libtard, Georgia is in Dixie. Not Europe!
Stalin, Beria, the Mkhedrioni, etc... much evil has come from the nation of Georgia...
Beria was a vampire
I tried the cheese bread thing—not in Georgia, but it was very tasty. It seems that the dominant strand of pan-European identity-building (the mainstream institutional kind, which precludes white nationalism) is Russophobia. The inclusion of Georgia in 'European'-related projects is a great example of how irrational this hatred is.
>He probably goes home to his family and starts speaking something resembling Orcish or Black Tongue from Lord of the Rings.
I remember there was some controversy in turkey because he referred to some town in its old greek , and not the “ataturk approved” turkish name , weirdly enough i’ve heard that this greek name is barely even used -like never … Interesting stuff…
> Dagestanis have a lot of steppe ancestry, more than Ossetians and Chechens. But they are Muslims and they give off terrorist vibes unlike the Tatars.
is there any reason besides possible bottleneck that Chechens compared to other caucus groups are very blond/red headed? I noticed that dagestanis just divert their energies to martial arts , whilst chechens just go off to whatever country around them is in war to fight there (wonder how much polygamy is there considering that crony kadyrov has two wives!!!)
I don't think Chechens are actually more fair featured than other NE Caucasians. I know some famous Chechens have light features but I think it's just because chechens are more famous than, say, Darginians or Laks or Lezgins
well the fact that this is the first time i’m hearing of a darginian probably proves your point , but still i’ve never seen a blond even brown haired dagestani.
i was literally watching a documentary on the chechen war (cursed &forgotten) today and i see this … there’s no way we aren’t some way interlinked… cells interlinked …
I've eaten khinkali and it was very good
Other than that I've heard that Georgian cities are dirty and decaying
That is the case for most post-soviet cities.
Georgia is an evil Eastern place that produced some of the worst Oriental Despots in modern history. Plus they were an integral faction of the Bolshevik coalition of undermen who institued the Red Terror against the Russian and broader East Slavic people. Hard pass on them being in "Paneuropa" or whatever
I have had the misfortune of interacting with some Georgian ultranationalists on various sites of the internet, and they are some of the most batshit insane people in the world. They believe in many genetic conspiracy theories and celebrate Stalin killing Europeans. They’re extremely anti-white
i used to know this one georgian on discord called joseph stalin, and every time he joined voice call all he would talk abput was killing all the gays. funny guy
I think people consider Georgia and Armenia to be European is because to their relation to Russia and being a part of "orthodox civilisation" whatever that means. If those RW little dark age edits consider Russia as cobservative white why wouldn't they consider Georgia?
Russians are White though. Like, I know we like to joke about them being mongoloids, but we shouldn't because they thrive on that shit. Someone has to tell them that they're from the swamps of Belarus, not the free steppe, that their entire ethnogenesis occurred in battle with the Tatar and the Mongol.
Yeah Russians are white but I am talking more of a cultural similarities here. In their eyes they are not western and western term of being white doesn't mean anything. They weren't considerete white 80 years ago and where genocided. Today roles have changed and they are though of as saviors of the white race although only in the west, Russians don't care as much about it. If they do they are NS larpers that use english internet a bit too much. I hate that Georgian nigga Gatssu, totaly westernized knowing american politics better than in his home country. What was I talking about....mmm...yeah Spengler was talking about upcoming Russian civilisation in this century, and I think Georgians and Armenians fit into that civilisation, althought there are still many differences between them
Russians were definitely considered White by almost everyone. Even the Nazis didn’t really fully consider them nonwhite so much as they considered them a “decadent” or “degenerated” race. Even before Peter to some extent but especially after, Russia’s high culture was heavily intertwined with that of Western Europe. It’s Ironic, Brezhnev was ruling a communist egalitarian state but secretly wanted to support pan-Europeanism, but when Putin supports a Russian state he promotes “Eurasianism” and denies the Europeanness of Russians.
Lots of Russian are Slavinized Finns and Uralians but most are Slavic settlers from Belarus and Ukraine. My dad's ancestors from the Don River Valley came from Western Ukraine and East Central Europe.
Orthodox civilization is just a civilization of Orthodox Christians, nearly all of whom are white and European. Even if you can contrast the Byzantine with the Latin, it’s still European and still descends from the Roman Empire. Orthodoxy isn’t mutually exclusive from white or European, in praxis or in identity. Whether or not it is “western” is kind of relative, since western kind of means Latin/Germanic since the days of the Frankish Empire.
For what it’s worth, Patriarch Kirill of Moscow is pretty vocal about the European roots of Russia and how this identity should be embraced. But he’s also not in charge of the Russian state, and that state really wants for him to play ball and do ecumenist lip service to keep the peace with Chechens and Turks.
Russia has a lot of differing ideas on how it should view its role in the world. Some of them are western, some of them Byzantine, some of them socialist, and some of them Asiatic. It’s easy to conflate them all and just imagine Russia as this weird undefinable other that has no place in the rest of the world’s designs, but that’s not necessarily how they view themselves or how they really are.
Honestly the most important thing that gets them recognized as white/European is just that they’re “white-enough” people who are historically Christian and proximal to Europe. This was enough to get Georgians and Armenians counted as white back in the 19th Century, even in tough one-drop-rule Southern states. What’s really funny is that Indians (Hindus) tried to play the racial science game back then and there are court cases where they argued that, as descendants of the ancient Aryans, they were white enough to attain US citizenship—and the judges ruled that they weren’t white.
Addendum: As for Syriac Christians, who are historically Christian, proximal to Europe, and often as pale as Greeks and Italians (or even more so), they are minorities in a majority-Muslim ethnic group and were ruled over by the Ottoman Empire into the 20th Century. The Georgians and Armenians were mostly ruled by the Russian Empire, a Christian European state. Maybe if the Levant was more connected to the rest of Europe, like if the Crusader States endured, we would count the Lebanese and Syrians as “basically white” for everyday purposes.
I've heard Georgia is essentially a corrupt mafia state and their eponymous mafia is spread all over the ex-USSR. Maybe this is why Russians view 'churkas' the way we view latinx or nogs.
Erm Quebec is European - ghost of Regi
"Azeris are not Turks, they are Iranians and Lezgins who speak the wrong language." I have observed the exact opposite: blonde Turks, asian eyes among Azeris.
This is scary and concerning
bro there’s these hot turkish blondes I swear and they’re basically Greek and then these Azeris dude they be throat singing no lie
I have met blond Turks back in my freshman year of college and literally didn't believe they were Turkish when they told me. I asked if they were Greeks living in Turkey, which in hindsight probably pissed them off LOL
lol, the audio version of the article manually speaks out the entire FST results. Line by line does it speak it.
What the fuck is the point of there being code blocks if the audio version plays it anyways? I’ll have to fix that
Is there any genetic differentiation between the three caucasian language families. Like do Northwest Caucasians have greater CHG than kartvelians and NE Caucasians, or are all speakers a pretty homogenous mix between CHG, Zagros farmer and Anatolian farmer.
"During the Chalcolithic, there was a small migration of Steppe people into the Middle East, contributing very slightly to the genome of the Kura-Araxes group, and leaving behind a small population of steppe-admixed people around the Areni Caves. I was kind of astonished as well by the fact that they had fair hair and eyes."
Cool. I'm trying to think of how I can use this article to help my Catacomb historical fiction.
I always liked Armenians because I've known some pretty cool ones here in America, but beyond from that I have always viewed them and other Caucuses groups as "hedge-Whites" meaning there might be admixture from us, maybe even sometimes origin stories with us, but they are outliers at best and foreigners at worst.